2582. Documentation for John Tilley
(Bef 19 Dec 1571 to Jan - Mar 1620/1)
father of Elizabeth Tilley
(1607 to 21 Dec 1687)
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BAPTIZED: 19 December 1571, Henlow, Bedford, England, son of Robert and Elizabeth (---) Tilley.
DIED: the first winter, between January and March, 1620/1, Plymouth
MARRIED: Joan (Hurst) Rogers, 20 September 1596, Henlow, Bedford, England, widow of Thomas Rogers (no relation to Thomas Rogers of the Mayflower), and daughter of William and Rose (---) Hurst.
*Note. Joan (Hurst) Rogers had a daughter Joan Rogers by her first marriage, bp. 26 May 1594, Henlow, Bedford, England. Joan married Edward Hawkins, probably a brother of her half-brother Robert's wife Mary Hawkins.
Rose - baptised 23 October 1597, in Henlow, Bedford, England, she died young, and was unmarried
John - baptised 26 August 1599, in Henlow, Bedford, England, date of death is unknown, and unknown if ever married
Rose - 28 February 1601/2, Henlow, Bedford, England, unknown unknown
Robert 25 November 1604, Henlow, Bedford, England unknown Mary Hawkins in Bedford, England
Elizabeth - 30 August 1607, Henlow, Bedford, England 21 December 1687, Swansea, MA
John Howland cir 1625,Plymouth
John Tilley, his wife Joan (Hurst) Rogers, and daughter Elizabeth came on the Mayflower. John and Joan died the first winter, but Elizabeth lived, married John Howland, and had eleven children. John's brother Edward Tilley came with wife Ann Cooper on the Mayflower as well.
John Tilley did not marry Prijntgen (Elizabeth) van der Velde in Holland. That was easily disproved in Mayflower Descendant 10:66-67, and by the subsequent identification of Joan (Hurst) Rogers. Also note that the article in the Mayflower Quarterly 49:16+ entitled "John Tilley Jr, 1599-1636" presents a theory as to what happened to John Tilley's son John, but the article has been criticized as presenting no proof but just speculations (Wakefield in MD 43:76; Stratton p. 362).
John's wife Joan is the daughter of William Hurst and Rose (---). William was born c1530, and died before 1571. He lived in Henlow, Bedford, England. Joan Hurst was baptized in Henlow, Bedford, England on 13 March 1567/8. She married first Thomas Rogers (no known relation to Thomas Rogers of the Mayflower), and second John Tilley.
The known ancestry of John Tilley is as follows (from The American Genealogist 52:198-208):
Henry Tilley, b. c1465, d. 1520 === Johan (---)
Thomas Tilley, b. c1490, d. 1556 === Margaret (---)
William Tilley, b. c1515, d. Jan. 1578/9 === Agnes (---)
Robert Tilley, b. c1540, d. Feb. 1612/3 === Elizabeth (---)
John Tilley, Mayflower passenger
John Tilley came on the Mayflower with his wife Joan and daughter Elizabeth. John's brother Edward Tilley also came on the Mayflower.
Caroline Lewis Kardell, "An English Line from John Tilley", Mayflower Quarterly, 65(August 1999):208-209.
Robert Leigh Ward, "English Ancestry of Seven Mayflower Passengers: Tilley, Sampson, and Cooper," The American Genealogist 52:198-208.
Robert Leigh Ward, "The Baronial Ancestry of Henry Sampson, Humility Cooper, and Ann (Cooper) Tilley," The Genealogist 6:166-186.
Robert Leigh Ward, "Further Traces of John Tilley of the Mayflower," The American Genealogist 60(1984):171-173.
George E. Bowman, "Jan Tellij of Leyden was Not John Tilley of the Mayflower," Mayflower Descendant 10:66-67.
Elizabeth Pearson White, John Howland of the Mayflower through Desire Howland for Five Generations, vol. 1 (Camden: Picton Press, 1990).
John Tilley (1571 – 1620 or 1621) was one of the settlers who traveled from England to North America on the Mayflower and signed the Mayflower Compact. Tilley died shortly after arrival in New England.
Tilley was christened in Henlow, Bedfordshire, England on 19 December 1571. He was the eldest child of Robert and Elizabeth Tilley. He had four sisters (Rose, Agnes, Elizabeth, and Alice) and three brothers (George, William, and Edward or Edmund). Research done by Robert Ward Leigh, using probate records, show that Tilley's paternal grandparents were William and Agnes Tylle, his great-grandparents were Thomas and Margaret Tylle, and great-great-grandparents were Henry and Johann[a]? Tilly, all of Henlow.
On 20 September 1596 in Henlow, John married Joan Hurst Rogers, the daughter of William and Rose Hurst and the widow of Thomas Rogers of Henlow. Joan had had one daughter from her previous marriage. John and Joan had five children between 1597 and 1607. At least one child died young. Research by George Ernest Bowman shows that John was not the Jan Tellij that married Prijntgen Van den Velde in Leyden.
In September 1620, John and Joan embarked on the Mayflower along with their teenage daughter Elizabeth and John's brother Edward Tilley and his wife Ann or Agnes (Cooper) Tilley. Edward and Ann brought along Ann's relatives Henry Sampson and Humility Cooper. They left behind their older children, who were married by this time. They arrived at what would become Plymouth in November. John and brother Edward were amongst the men who signed the Mayflower Compact.
Unfortunately, the first winter after their arrival was extremely difficult and a number of the settlers died. Amongst these were John, wife Joan, brother Edward, and sister-in-law Ann. William Bradford reported, "...Edward Tillie, and his wife both dyed soon after their arrivall; and the girle Humility their cousen, was sent for unto Ento England, and dyed ther But the youth Henery Sampson, is still liveing, and is married, & hath .7. children. John Tilley and his wife both dyed, a litle after they came ashore..." This left daughter Elizabeth the only surviving member of the Tilley family in America. The orphan was taken in by John Carver but he and his wife both died that spring. Elizabeth later married John Howland, Carver's former servant, and left a numerous posterity.