18. Documentation for Gottfried Lorenz
(1827 to after 1870)
father of Wilhelmina "Minnie" Fredericka Lorenz
(28 Mar 1866 to 27 Apr 1965)
Gottfried Lorenz, Second Great-Grandfather of Curtis Lynn Older:
1) Gottfried Lorenz, husband of Hannah Stuebe, parents of Wilhelmina Fredericka Lorenz
2) Wilhelmina Fredericka Lorenz, wife of James Grant Older, parents of Roy Burton Older
3) Roy Burton Older, husband of Ethel Leona Worth, parents of Truxton James Older
4) Truxton James Older, husband of Mavis Lorene Gouty, parents of Curtis Lynn Older
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Gottfried Lorenz apparently ran away from his family according to Wilma Jane Zillman. He is found in an 1880 or 1900 census in the state of California with the correct age and occupation.TO DO
Gottfried Lorenz was born in Germany in 1827.(1) His parents are not known. His father and mother both were born in Germany according to the 1870 census.(2)
Possible immigration record for Gottfried Lorenz -
Name: Joh G Lorenz
Arrival Date: 17 Jun 1857
Estimated Birth Year: 1827
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Hamburg, Germany
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Germany
Ship Name: Borussia
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 24
Microfilm Roll: 175
List Number: 687
Not sure if this is the correct source: Source Bibliography: DAGIT, CHRISTAL E. Tazewell County, Illinois Naturalization and Immigration Records, 1839 to 1909, Volume 2. Pekin, IL: Tazewell County Genealogical Society, 2000. 129p. Page: 60.
Gottfried Lorenz married Hannah (Stuebe) Lehmann on November 27, 1863, in Danville, Vermilion County, Illinois.(3) Hannah was born January 9, 1838, in Germany. Her parents were Phillip Stuebe and Mary Koch.(4) Phillip Stuebe and his family came to the United States in 1856.(5)
Hannah Stuebe first married Ernest Lehmann on November 16, 1857.(6) The parents of Ernest Lehmann are not known nor is Ernest's date of birth. No one by the name of Lehmann or Lehman was listed in the 1850 census records for Vermilion County, Illinois, and we probably can assume Ernest came to America during the 1850s. Ernest apparently died or disappeared before the 1860 census. No other information is known about him.
Hannah (Stuebe) Lehmann was living in the household of her parents in the 1860 census and she was listed only as Hannah, not Hannah Lehmann.(7) Emma apparently had not yet been born. Ernest and Hannah Lehmann were the parents of one child.
Emma Lehmann, the only known child of Ernest and Hanna (Stuebe) Lehmann, is listed in the 1870 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township as Emma Lorens, age 10 and born in Illinois.(8) Nothing else is known about Emma Lehmann (Lorens).
Gottfried and Hannah Lorenz were the parents of nine children. The 1900 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, lists Anna Lorenz and two of her children, Mary and Fritz (Fred) living together. The record indicates she was born in January 1838 and that she was the mother of nine children, four or whom were alive in 1900.(9) Only six of her children have been identified: Emma, Louise, Wilhelmina "Minnie" Fredericka, Mary C., Fred J., and Lena.
Louise Lorenz was born in 1865 in Illinois. She married Gottlieb Long on April 28, 1885, in Vermilion County, Illinois. The marriage record shows the names spelled Louisa Lorenz and Gottlieb Lang.(10) Gottlieb Long was born in 1862 and died in 1941. Louise Lorenz Long died September 16, 1935, in Danville, Vermilion County, Illinois. Both Gottlieb and Louise Long are buried at Springhill Cemetery in Danville, Illinois.(11)
Wilhelmina "Minnie" Fredericka Lorenz was born March 28, 1866.(12) Minnie Lorenz appears in the 1880 U.S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville. She was listed as a servant living in the household of J. B. Mann, a lawyer.(13) The 1889 Danville, Illinois, Directory listed an Anna Stuebe as a domestic at J. B. Mann.(14) According to the 1889 Directory, J. B. Mann was an attorney at law with an office in the First National Bank Building on West Main Street in Danville and a second office at 444 N. Franklin Street in Danville.(15)
Truxton James Older, a grandson of Minnie Lorenz, stated to Curtis L. Older that Minnie's given name was Wilhelmina Fredericka Lorenz and that her parents were Gottfried Lorenz and Hannah Stuebe. Truxton's sister, Wilma Jane (Older) Zillman, was named Wilma after Wilhelmina Lorenz, her paternal grandmother, and Jane after Lucy Jane Harmison, her maternal grandmother.
Minnie Lorenz married James Grant Older on May 21, 1885, in Danville, Illinois.(16) James Grant Older was born in Mechanicsburg, Sangamon County, Illinois, on March 14, 1864.(17) He was the son of Samuel Clarence Older and Jane Eliza Baird.(18) James and Minnie Older were the parents of three children.(19) Minnie's husband died March 31, 1946, in Dearborn, Michigan. He was buried at Springhill Cemetery on Voorhees Street in Danville, Illinois.(20) Minnie (Lorenz) Older died at age 99 on April 27, 1965, in Dearborn, Michigan, where she lived with a daughter, Nellie (Older) O'Rourke.(21) She was buried at Springhill Cemetery in Danville, Illinois.
Mary C. Lorenz was born in 1869 in Illinois. Mary C. Lorenz died September 25, 1916, in Danville, Vermilion County, Illinois.(22) Her death was ruled a suicide.(23)
Fred J. Lorenz was born in 1870 in Illinois.(24) Fred J. Lorenz was listed in the 1920 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville as 49 years of age.(25) Fred J. Lorenz died in 1951.
Both Mary C. and Fred J. Lorenz lived with their mother, Hannah, in 1900.(26) Mary C. and Fred J. Lorenz are buried with their mother at Springhill Cemetery in Danville, Illinois, adjacent the graves of Louise Lorenz and Gottlieb Long. The 1889 Danville City Directory lists a Fritz Lorenz who worked as a clerk at a business known as Smith & Bandy, located at the corner of Short and Cherry streets.(27) Fritz Lorenz is believed to be the same person as Fred J. Lorenz. Nothing else is known about Fritz Lorenz.
Lena Lorenz is listed in the 1880 U. S. census as a six year old daughter of Anna Lorenz.(28) Nothing else is known about Lena Lorenz. She died before the 1900 census was taken.
Gottfried Lorenz appears with his family in the 1870 U.S. Federal Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township. The census lists Lorenz, Gottfried, age 43, listed (incorrectly) as female, white, cabinet maker, value of real estate $700, value of personal property $150, born in Germany, father born in Germany, mother born in Germany, male citizen of U.S. of 21 years of age and upwards; Hannah Lorenz, age 32, female, white, keeping house, born in Germany, father born in Germany, mother born in Germany; Emma, age 10, female, white, born in Illinois, attended school within the year; Louisa, age 4, female, white, born in Illinois; Minnie, age 3, female, white, born in Illinois; Mary, age 2, female, white, born in Illinois.(29)
No other census record than the 1870 census record has been found for Gottfried Lorenz. Hannah was listed in the 1880 census as widowed or divorced.(30) It appears Gottfried Lorenz possibly came to the United States after the 1860 census and possibly was dead by the time of the 1880 census. The 1900 census record for Anna (i.e., Hannah) Lorenz indicates she was widowed.(31) The date of death, location of death, and location of burial for Gottfried Lorenz is not known.
Minnie Lorenz appears in the 1880 U.S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, page 10, enumeration district number 211 in Danville, June 3, 1880, by William J. Davis. Dwelling 89, family 92, J. B. Mann, lawyer. Minnie Lorenz, white, female, age 13, female, relation to head of family - servant, civil condition - single, occupation - servant, born in Illinois, father born in Germany, mother born in Germany.(32)
The 1900 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, lists Anna Lorenz and two of her children, Mary and Fritz (Fred) living together. The census record indicates she immigrated to the United States in 1856 and she lived in the United States 43 years. The record also indicates she was born in January 1838 and that she was the mother of nine children, 4 or whom were alive in 1900.(33)
Hannah (Stuebe) Lorenz died in 1908 in Danville, Illinois. Truxton James Older, father of Curtis Lynn Older and a great-grandson of Hannah (Stuebe) Lorenz, took Curtis to the Springhill Cemetery on Voorhees Street in Danville, Illinois, about the year 2000 and showed him the graves of Hannah (Stuebe) Lorenz, Gottfried and Louise (Lorenz) Long, Mary Lorenz, and Fred Lorenz.
Children (Lorenz), born in Illinois:
i. Louise, born October 1865
ii. Wilhelmina "Minnie" Fredericka, born March 28, 1866
iii. Mary C., born 1868
iv. Fred J., born June 22, 1870
v. Lena, born 1874
REFERENCES
1. 1870 U. S. Federal Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Post Office - Danville, Roll, M593_285, Page 102, Image 206, Dwelling 34, Family 34, Gottfeid Lorenz, age 43, born in Germany.
2. 1870 U. S. Federal Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Post Office - Danville, Roll, M593_285, Page 102, Image 206, Dwelling 34, Family 34.
3. Vermilion County, Illinois, Court Records, Film #1298746 - 1298749, Johanna Lehmann, Gottfried Lorens, marriage date November 27, 1863.
4. 1900 U. S. Federal Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Danville Ward 4, Roll T623_348, Page 18B, Enumeration District 72, Dwelling 407, Family 440, Lorenz, Anna, head, white, female, age 62, born January 1838, widowed, mother of 9 children, 4 living, born in Germany, father born in Germany, mother born in Germany, year of immigration to the United States - 1856, number of years in the United States - 43; 1900 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Blount Township, Roll T623_348, Page 17B, Enumeration District 56, Dwelling #336, Family #343. Frederick Buy, head, white, male, born October 1844, age 55, married, 32 years, born in Germany, parents born in Germany, immigration year - 1856, number of years in U.S. - not legible, naturalized citizen; 1900 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Ward 6, Roll T623_348, Page 24A, Enumeration District 74, Dwelling Number 505, Family Number 552, John Stuebe, head, white, male, born May 1841, age 59, married, 19 years, born in Germany, parents born in Germany, immigration year 1857, 42 years in U. S., naturalized citizen.
5. 1860 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Roll M653_233, Page 594, Post Office - Danville, enumerated June 7, 1860, by Hamilton White, Dwelling #310, Family #314, Philip Steber, age 44, male, laborer, real estate = $240, personal property = $50, born in Germany, Mary Steber, age 49, female, born in Germany, Hannah Steber, age 21, female, born in Germany, John Steber, age 20, male, laborer, born in Germany, Fredrich Steber, age 19, male, laborer, born in Germany, Rebecca Steber, age 17, female, born in Germany, Fritz Steber, age 15, male, laborer, born in Germany; Pedigree Chart dated February 3, 1994, by (Koch) Myers, #2642-A, at Illiana Genealogical Society, Danville, Illinois, includes Frederic Buy and his wife, Mary Stuebe; Marriage Abstracts, Vermilion County, Illinois, 1878-1881, December 18, 1880, John Stuebe married Caroline Kraft: John Stuebe, 39, Danville, Illinois, father - Phillip Stuebe; mother - Mara Koch, occupation farmer, married by J. Moeller, pastor. Caroline Kraft, 20, Danville, Illinois, born in Pennsylvania, George Kraft, Margarethe Struhfuss, 2nd marriage.
6. Vermilion County, Illinois, Court Records, Film #1298746 - 1298749, Ernest Lehmann, Anna Stebens, marriage date November 16, 1857.
7. 1860 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Roll M653_233, Page 594, Post Office - Danville, enumerated June 7, 1860, by Hamilton White, Dwelling #310, Family #314, Philip Steber, age 44, male, laborer, real estate = $240, personal property = $50, born in Germany, Mary Steber, age 49, female, born in Germany, Hannah Steber, age 21, female, born in Germany, John Steber, age 20, male, laborer, born in Germany, Fredrich Steber, age 19, male, laborer, born in Germany, Rebecca Steber, age 17, female, born in Germany, Fritz Steber, age 15, male, laborer, born in Germany.
8. 1870 U. S. Federal Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Post Office - Danville, Roll, M593_285, Page 102, Image 206, Dwelling 34, Family 34.
9. 1900 U. S. Federal Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Danville Ward 4, Roll T623_348, Page 18B, Enumeration District 72, Dwelling 407, Family 440, Lorenz, Anna, head, white, female, age 62, born January 1838, widowed, mother of 9 children, 4 living, born in Germany, father born in Germany, mother born in Germany, year of immigration to the United States - 1856, number of years in the United States - 43.
10. Vermilion County, Illinois, Court Records, Film # 1298746 - 1298749, Name: Louisa Lorenz, Gender: Female, Spouse Name: Gottlieb Lang, Marriage Date: Apr 28, 1885, Marriage County: Vermilion.
11. Tombstone for Gottlieb Long and Louisa Lorenz Long, Springhill Cemetery, Danville, Illinois.
12. Obituary for Wilhelmina Lorenz Older, Danville Commercial News, April 28, 1965; tombstone for Minnie Older at Springhill Cemetery in Danville, Illinois, indicates she was born in 1866.
13. U. S. Census for Illinois, 1880, Vermilion County, enumeration district number 211 in Danville, enumerated June 3, 1880, by William J. Davis, p. 10, dwelling 89, family 92, J. B. Mann, lawyer. Minnie Lorenz, white, age 13, female, servant, born in Illinois.
14. 1889 City of Danville Directory (to do)
15. 1889 City of Danville Directory (to do)
16. Marriage License, State of Illinois, Vermilion County Court House, Danville, Illinois, Volume V, Vermilion County, Illinois, Marriages, James G. Older and Minnie F. Lorenz, married May 21, 1885, Vermilion County Court records, film #1298746:1298749.
17. Tombstone of James G. Older, Springhill Cemetery, Voorhees Street, Danville, Illinois, indicates he was born in 1864. Birth date from Janet Zillman Shinkle, a cousin of Curtis L. Older.
18. Marriage License, James G. Older and Minnie F. Lorenz; 1870 U. S. Federal Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Post Office - Danville, enumerated July 4, 1870, lists Samuel, Eliza, Rose, and James Older; 1880 U. S. Federal Census for Illinois, Village of Germantown, Vermilion County, lists Samuel, Eliza, Rose, and James Older.
19. The three children of James G. and Minnie (Lorenz) Older were Roy Burton, Nellie Pearl, and Maybelle Older; State of Illinois Medical Certificate of Death for Roy Burton Older, registration district #92.0, registered number 347, date of birth February 10, 1886, date of death April 13, 1964, Danville, Illinois, father's full name James Grant Older, mother's full maiden name Minnie Lorenz, signed by Truxton J. Older, son, informant; Nellie Pearl married Frank W. O'Rourke on August 23, 1919. He was born December 23, 1890, and died April 3, 1963, in Dearborn, Michigan. Frank at one time was a Vice-President of Auditing for the Wabash Railroad Company in Detroit, Michigan. Nellie Pearl (Older) O'Rourke died October 9, 1885, in Danville, Illinois. Frank and Nelle O'Rourke did not have any children. They are buried in Springhill Cemetery in Danville, Illinois. Truxton James Older, a grandson of James and Minnie Older, lived with Frank and Nelle O'Rourke in Detroit for a few years, and is listed in the 1930 Detroit, Michigan, census; Maybelle Older married Cody Holmes on October 28, 1919, in Springfield, Illinois. Cody was born August 18, 1892, in Decatur, Illinois, and died April 24, 1988, in Decatur, Illinois. He was buried in Monticello, Illinois. Maybelle died May 20, 1959. Cody and Maybelle (Older) Holmes had two daughters, Lorraine Holmes who was born March 20, 1921, in Decatur, Illinois, and Jeanette Holmes, who was born January 16, 1929. Lorraine married William H. Dalton on April 20, 1947. A son of William and Lorraine Dalton, Phillip, died in the 1950s at about age 10. Jeanette married Robert Findley on June 1, 1952. They had no children. The father of Cody Holmes was said to have been a close friend of Buffalo Bill Cody and named his son after him.
20. Tombstone for James G. Older at Springhill Cemetery, Danville, Vermilion County, Illinois; Death Records, Pape Mortuary, 10 E. Williams Street, Danville, Illinois 61832, http://www.papemortuary.com/, Older, James G., Date of Birth 3/14/1864, Place of Birth Pennsylvania, Father Older, Mother, DOD: Detroit, MI., Spouse Minnie, Wedding Date [blank], Date of Death 3/31/1946, Cemetery Spring Hill.
21. Obituary for Minnie Lorenz Older, Danville Commercial News newspaper obituaries, probably April 28, 1965, or within a week after that date.
22. Vermilion County, Illinois, Death Certificates, Lorenz, Mary, female, white, age unknown, death certificate #0040033, date of death September 25, 1916, Vermilion, Danville, date filed September 26, 1916.
23. Vermilion County, Illinois, Coroner's Inquest Files Index, 1908–1956, name - Mary Lorenz, female, single, date of death 09/24/1916, verdict - suicide - took carbolic acid due to ill health.
24. 1900 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Danville Ward 4, Roll T623_348, Page 18B, Enumeration District 72, Dwelling 407, Family 440, Anna Lorenz head of household, Mary Lorenz born 1869, Fritz Lorenz born 1871; Fred J. Lorenz tombstone, Springhill Cemetery, Danville, Illinois.
25. 1920 U. S. Census, Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville, roll T625_411, page 17B, enumeration district 152, image 392, Fred J Lorenz, age - 49 years, estimated birth year - about 1871, birthplace - Illinois, race - white.
26. 1900 U. S. Federal Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Danville Ward 4, Roll T623_348, Page 18B, Enumeration District 72, Dwelling 407, Family 440, Lorenz, Anna, head.
27. 1889 City of Danville Directory (to do)
28. 1880 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville, Roll T9_255, Family History Film 1254255, Page 333D, Enumeration District 209, Image 0155, Dwelling #330, Family #345.
29. 1870 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, enumerated July 2, 1870, by James A. Davis, p. 4, dwelling 34, family 34, Mary Lorenz, age 2, born in Illinois.
30. 1880 U. S. Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville, Roll T9_255, Family History Film 1254255, Page 333D, Enumeration District 209, Image 0155, Dwelling #330, Family #345.
31. 1900 U. S. Federal Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Danville Ward 4, Roll T623_348, Page 18B, Enumeration District 72, Dwelling 407, Family 440, Lorenz, Anna, head, white, female, age 62, born January 1838, widowed, mother of 9 children, 4 living, born in Germany, father born in Germany, mother born in Germany, year of immigration to the United States - 1856, number of years in the United States - 43.
32. U. S. Census for Illinois, 1880, Vermilion County, enumeration district number 211 in Danville, enumerated June 3, 1880, by William J. Davis, p. 10, dwelling 89, family 92, J. B. Mann, lawyer. Minnie Lorenz, white, age 13, female, servant, born in Illinois.
33. 1900 U. S. Federal Census for Illinois, Vermilion County, Danville Township, Danville Ward 4, Roll T623_348, Page 18B, Enumeration District 72, Dwelling 407, Family 440, Anna Lorenz household.
Name: Joh G Lorenz
Arrival Date: 17 Jun 1857
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Hamburg, Germany
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Germany
Ship Name: Borussia
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 24
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: 175
List Number: 687
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
